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mp95
03-01-2012, 10:24 AM
Is it just me or is Phoenix's level 9 power severely underpowered?

A quick base stat viewing shows the following:

Stamina 341
Damage 104-167 to all enemies
94% to hit, 21% to crit
Chance to cause burning (doesn't seem to apply that often for me)
Cool down 3 turns. And you cannot start the battle with it, you have to wait that initial 3 turns.

The ability itself seems average at best. Compare to other heroes and their abilities, I use abilities that attack all enemies because they seem to be important early on in a fight:

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Cyclops, level 9 Mega Optic Blast
Stamina 256
Damage 93-140 to all enemies
92% to hit, 16% to crit
No cool down, can use every turn if he has the stamina

Invisible Woman, level 9 Force Volley
Stamina 213
Damage 92-110 to all enemies
87% to hit, 16% to crit
Does not trigger counter attacks
Does extra critical damage
No cool down, can use every turn if she has the stamina

And the kicker?...

Iron Man, level 2 Missile Barrage
170 stamina
76-91 damage to all enemies
89% to hit, 13% to crit
Causes burning (seems to cause it as often as Phoenix as far as I've experienced)
No cool down, can use it from the start and every turn if he has the stamina.

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To break it down, Phoenix spends an extra 171 stamina to use an ability 3 turns later than Iron Man to cause 28-76 more damage with an extra 6%/8% to hit/crit. And this is compared to a level 2 ability.

I was honestly expecting Phoenix to be overpowered at her level 9 ability, and while her lower level skills are pretty sweet, level 9 is a complete waste. I rarely use it anymore as many people in PvP use Cyclops and Hawkeye who have a distinct advantage over her low health and tend to kill her before her first turn much less turn 4, and in the missions I kill everybody or have 1 low health guy left by the time it becomes available.

My suggestion would be to remove the initial cool down period. Keep it at three, but let her use it at the start. Not sure if that would completely level the playing field, but it would be something.

Agrajag
03-01-2012, 10:34 AM
I totally agree with this guys suggestion. Having to wait 3 turns for her lvl 9 ability makes it pretty much useless and now that I see the comparisons up above to some of the other hero's level 9 abilities I see that its maybe worse than I previous thought. I rarely use this ability as well ... pretty useless as it currently stands.

emry
03-02-2012, 04:59 AM
SHE FULLY SUCKS. Waste the time leveling here. I ain't gonna use her again she's so weak and dies faster than other characters. Useless!

tokolets
03-03-2012, 06:04 AM
I wish they'd buff her too, I just bought her and now I see how pretty lame her set skills are even though they made her sound so good in the hero description. she's also really good in the comics, so why this? x__x

Lethal
03-03-2012, 06:07 AM
i agree to the thread starter

Sorlozer
03-03-2012, 08:06 AM
I also agree. The 2nd skill is already quite 'lame' why lvl 9 skill also lame?

Vvruvrivvn
03-03-2012, 11:19 AM
I agree fully. Plus she has really low health and stamina, and her attack isn't at all fantastic. For a character with a 65 command point cost, and with an incredible resume behind her, this is really disappointing. I'm starting not to bring her out for any pvp and pve at all because her health AND stam goes down faster like anything

mp95
03-04-2012, 07:50 AM
Not to mention that this is one of the most powerful heroes in the Marvel universe. I sure hope the devs are reading this.

Vvruvrivvn
03-04-2012, 09:08 PM
Devs please fix this please. For a top level ability the cooldown is ridiculous

joshtylen
03-06-2012, 11:15 AM
Yes please balance her better devs. If they are going to have her have low health she needs the damage output to justify it or a really good defense move.

The Ragnarok
03-06-2012, 11:33 AM
Had trouble vs Magneto/Mistique/Juggernaut just because of her patheticness =(

allenhill2002
03-08-2012, 04:23 PM
Is she the only one that has a cool-down for her 4th move that applies when the battle starts? it's might be a bug. Did you submit a bug report?

sharky123
03-08-2012, 04:39 PM
I agree completely but I wouldnt hold your breath. This is a game that cant even get the gold rewards straight or the price of items. If they cant fix the most basic points of the game I doubt they will fix that. It is ashame too because I really enjoy this game but I am a level 30 and have received 2 pieces of gold to date.

endymion201
03-09-2012, 01:26 AM
They can stick with the cooldown thingy, as long as the damage can be fixed. I bought her (thinking that her skills would rock). I seldom use her in missions, and NEVER in PVP. No doubt Storm's a lot better than her.

Vvruvrivvn
03-09-2012, 01:33 AM
Stamina 341
Damage 104-167 to all enemies
94% to hit, 21% to crit
Chance to cause burning
Cool down 3 turns.

Actually by that description, it doesn't say that you need to wait 3 turns. It specifically says cooldown 3 turns, and not 3 turns needed to activate. It should be a bug.

mp95
03-09-2012, 01:18 PM
I did not consider it a bug since the initial 3 turn cool down applied to both myself and a friend. Is there anyone here and reading this that can use this ability at the start of a match?

Vvruvrivvn
03-09-2012, 07:09 PM
I'll let you guys know tomorrow when she finishes her ridiculous 24 hours training.

Vvruvrivvn
03-10-2012, 07:26 PM
Ok guys i just tested it. Yes we can't use the level 9 ability until THREE turns later.

Devs can we have a clarification of why is this happening??

The description reads,


"Stamina 341
Damage 104-167 to all enemies
94% to hit, 21% to crit
Chance to cause burning
Cool down 3 turns. "

COOLDOWN 3 turns. It does not say "3 TURNS TO CHARGE". As far as cooldowns are concerned, it is the period you cannot utilise that skill until it has recharged back up AFTER the first usage.

Please fix this bug.

mp95
03-11-2012, 02:46 PM
Still doesn't negate the fact that the ability itself is underwhelming for being a level 9 skill. Either stats for damage need to be increased or a reduction in cooldown or maybe another debuff added to the bad guys.

Chompman
03-13-2012, 05:11 AM
Is she the only one that has a cool-down for her 4th move that applies when the battle starts? it's might be a bug. Did you submit a bug report?

War machine has a cool down for his third move so it's not just her.

allenhill2002
03-13-2012, 10:52 AM
War machine has a cool down for his third move so it's not just her.

Black Cat's 3rd move has a starter cool down also.