Glitching

[DSA]

Want to explore your feelings on the "glitching" phenomenon, which has been so hotly debated, recently.

Wonder if you think it's okay, or unethical.... or if you're indifferent.... or maybe you think it's okay for you to be able to do, to that select person who really deserves it? (AFTA)
Trying to create a poll - but would love to hear any elaboration you'd care to make!

[All_me]

Theres a big problem with "glitching" on SL. Ive spoken about this issue with many other SL players and I cant find one that actually likes it. Its completely unfair for the lower levels! Please take care of this. TY

[~Spicy~]

I think it is supposed to be part of the game since it it has been there for WELL OVER a year.

[~Spicy~]

I love it.

[morningsun]

I think its unfair, it shouldnt be allowed. People get burns to raise their bounty due to fights won, what chance does a 14 have against 100?

[~Spicy~]

metagaming is metagaming

So what house has their panties in a twist over this old news?

[Michelle77777]

Glitching has been a part of SL for a long time. High levels can not hunt without glitching. There shouldn't be a problem with glitching unless you are trying to ride which is a completely separate issue. Anyone on the BL should be fair game to all levels.

[JessikaLucia_]

I think people should just get their panties out of a bunch. Glitching is apart of the game and I dont think its going anywhere. Nor should it. What else does a level 200 have to do on SL? lol When there is a serious serious glitch Playdom catches it quickly (remember when people were winning 500 bps in tokyo with the coin drop game. that didnt last long did it?)... Everyone just needs a new witch hunt to feel satisfied. Kinda getting old to hear people complain. First it was slappers, then it was bots, now its glitchers. *yawn* :rolleyes: Wake me up when this phase passes and things are back to normal .....

[Sara]

I honestly don't care. You'll get taken off the burn list one way or another.

[pryncssdeb]

I say just get over it. I hit the bl on occasion and let me tell you, doing it by hand SUCKS. If someone has the ingenuity to make it different/easier, go for it. Can it make things hard for gamers like me? Sure, but it's my choice to play the way I do, so no griping from me about it!


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[JessikaLucia_]

sl would be boring with no glitching. its my fav feature

[ღHeatherღ]

I honestly don't care. You'll get taken off the burn list one way or another.

I agree with Sara.

[cadwellvonfowle]

if playdom wants to let hackers ruin their game then that's their business. personally, i will lmao when the people using the toolbar bot get hacked by its developer and/or get banned from sl by playdom. if you're bored with your level 200 socializer, make a new character. isn't that better than allowing hackers access to your fb account and your friends' newsfeeds? i think people have not been paying much attention to the permissions required by the bot app. oh well, it's the cheaters' problem, not mine.

[~Spicy~]

you do realize that "glitching" is more often done by just clicking the ask friends to attack link and pressing attack on someones Stats page in the game.... there is no funny business.

[DSA]

I honestly don't care. You'll get taken off the burn list one way or another.
Agreed.
If it could be seen as unfair to anyone... then maybe to lower-level hunters?
If you are 100+ levels and 2000 grats ahead of me,
then maybe I should have the advantage, of being able to hunt the levels between us, that you cannot?

And, if I had a level-200 main character, I'd certainly be getting equal time with various minis in the range below that, for hunting, too.

[cadwellvonfowle]

you do realize that "glitching" is more often done by just clicking the ask friends to attack link and pressing attack on someones Stats page in the game.... there is no funny business.

yeah. that's why i voted "Acceptable if purposely done to an intended individual." i glitch from aftas and stats pages all the time - i just don't agree with using bots to do it.

[Team SLH]

SL Glitching Pros and Cons

Pros -> Allows for higher levels to still collect bounties.

Cons -> Lower levels such as a level 10 can have x5 house members which is only 50 house members to a person with 500 in their house attacking them.
This causes unfair advantages and does not allow for someone who is strong in their level to raise their stats, win amounts and gratitude amounts.

Solution -> Fix glitch, but find a way for higher levels to still bounty hunt and offer more burns on the higher level.

[Lorielle]

I honestly don't care. You'll get taken off the burn list one way or another.


I agree with Sara.

Ditto!

[Team SLH]

I don't mind if anything goes, then I will sky rocket to the top and attack everyone then. In honesty though this isn't fair to a level 10 with a max house limit of 50. I could every piece of perfect glam, skill points in all the right places but a house of 500 + borders attacking me will not give me a chance to raise my gratitude amount ever.


Also make sure to express your opinions clearly, because this will be read by the developers.

[katiekins]

i am a level 228 i dont typically glitch but id love to be able to BH and see all levels even half my level (like you can burn) i have 33 stamina and before PHILS nothing to so with it

[Team SLH]

I agree there are so many higher levels and no activity up there. I think the best response I've had to this was not fight on levels but by house size.

[JessikaLucia_]

Playdom should adapt to the way the majority of people are choosing to play and broaden higher levels abilities. Might lessen the conflict.

i personally dont want to see the glitching get fixed as a whole becuz i glitch from AFTAs alot when i'm fighting someone who drops down to a mini....

[saswordd]

.... I've been hiding under a rock, I guess. What is this discussion about? Glitching? ...What?

[katiekins]

you can do an afta (ask friends to attack) and hit anyone on the burn list. some think its unfair. some think its not

[Krista Erin]

i am a level 228 i dont typically glitch but id love to be able to BH and see all levels even half my level (like you can burn) i have 33 stamina and before PHILS nothing to so with it

That's an interesting idea. I like it, it gives the higher levels a little more to do and I bet it would eliminate some of the bot riders too.

In the other game I play, the hit list is viewable by all levels - so if you're a level 10, you can get taken off by a level 5000+ and it's all fair game. Clearly the levels there work a little differently than ours but the idea is the same. :)

[me_sexy2]

What is glitching?!

[MarvaCee]

If it's part of the game... why is it called "glitching"? And exactly what is glitching in reference to this topic? Forgive me for not fully understanding.

[~Spicy~]

It is called "glitching" because when it came out about 1.5 years ago everyone said it must be a glitch. If it was a glitch I think it was left in there intentionally,

[me_sexy2]

But what is glitching?

[Christopher]

If it's part of the game... why is it called "glitching"? And exactly what is glitching in reference to this topic? Forgive me for not fully understanding.

This thread is about higher level players being able to attack lower level players that are on the burn list. I believe it's being called "glitching" because lower levels don't appear on the burn list to be able to attack, but if you attack them from their stats page you can take them off the burn list. This seems to be a "glitch" or bug in the game and exploitation of this phenomenon is what is being called into question.

[Team SLH]

Well said.

[Barbie Dahl]

If I put them on the burn list, I will try to take them off, regardless of their level. Other than that, I don't "glitch" anymore, unless I know you are a bot rider.

[Krista Erin]

If I put them on the burn list, I will try to take them off, regardless of their level. Other than that, I don't "glitch" anymore, unless I know you are a bot rider.

I bow to the Queen of catching her own grat :)

[Barbie Dahl]

I bow to the Queen of catching her own grat :)

It's the only challenge I have left in the game.

[bridge2984]

I do not like the glitching I think it's wrong. What if the highest toon you have is only mid level then its ok for someone twice your level to decided easy money and come get you, there is NO way to build up to protect yourself from glitching, you might as well be a sitting duck. Also to those of us that have built "riders" a toon made with all pop how is that fair, we can't ride because ppl twice our size that we don't stand a chance against will be taking us down. It isn't fair and defeats the purpose of the game.

[willie whoopass]

While I understand that this is useful at times, it is completely unfair. I mean unless you allow the full house size to be used from level 1 on, rather than the five per level crap, you set up situations where bullying by higher level players becomes the norm, when I thought that was the the whole reason for the level restrictions in the first place. If this is how the game is to be played, then why not just remove the silly level restrictions on house size and give the lower level player a fighting chance? Or remove the failed glitch and go back to the way things were. I think it is important to also say here that a player of any level who is attacked and loses the fight should be able to retaliate against the attacker regardless of level. Some things are only fair, and if you go slap a bear, then you deserve to have the bear slap you back.

[laney]

The only trouble with glitching is a person who is many levels above someone can continuously and unfairly attack you and take you out. There is no way a person with fewer glam items or even boarders can compete. All someone has to do is go to their targets profile and just attack. If they are on the burn list, it lets them repeatedly attack. Just keeping it even for all players is the right way to go.

[Metamorphosis]

My two cents worth: Personally, I won't do it though I'm rather cold towards the issue as a whole.

[Greenly]

First of all - Thank you, Christopher, for explaining that.

I tend to be wary of the idea of stopping something that has somewhat of a function. I don't ride the BL, I hardly touch the thing. I don't "glitch" and until a few minutes ago I didn't even know what it was. But after hearing it explained, it is something that should be considered as an appropriate function. To some degree.

When there are limitations in anything, those who have reached those limitations have the tendency to knock on that wall, kick its foundation, poke, prod and dig until they find a way to push that wall further out and give themselves additional freedoms. It's the nature of the human being. Push boundaries.

The benefits of this, is they can also show Playdom and its developers new avenues to explore with the game. Kind of like 'contracting' out to core gamers for ideas.

"Glitching" really seems like it serves a purpose for those on higher levels, but it also seems that it is capable of being abused. Now, I'm not quite intelligent or quick enough to offer a solution that satisfies both its function and its abuse potential.. but that is why the developers get paid. ;-)

I don't believe this should be abolished. But I think its concept can be respected and exploited by Playdom.

[July]

I think it should NEVER be used to take riders off the burnlist. Otherwise, I don't care.

[Idee Fatale]

I'm against glitching in any way. The only problem that needs to be addressed is high level players. There is no way for me to earn the money. I have negative cash flow , I don't ride the burn list or do transfers. Playdom really needs to do something about it, but I'm totally for the removal of "glitch"

[AuroraM]

Glitching by throwing up an afta is one thing I can agree upon, but glitching through a 3rd party software or the SLH toolbar is very unethical and unfair to hunters who work hard to build their toons and stats! Why bother buying any more BP glam when all you need to do is take down lower levels now, and seriously defeats the purpose of the game! NO more BP purchases and no need for VIP if this is the direction you are going!

[~Spicy~]

So what house has the "Glitching" witch hunt going on... seems we have lots of new members inspired by this conversation... PS welcome to the forum :P

[Coffeezzz]

I never thought it was fair that someone on a mini way lower than I could put me on the burn list over and over, but I couldn't burn them back to retaliate. When a lower level attacks, you can at least retaliate by being able to attack that lower level (for a limited time), but there's never been a way to retaliate for burns. What really sucks is the higher you level, the less activity you see on the burn list and the hunting avatar that you spent so much time creating becomes practically worthless. You only get 10 tries at this, once you have no more low level avi's you'd be forced to turn your characters into organizers, which to many is not as exciting and boring, or go find another game to play because the excitement has ended. Glitching would keep the higher levels interesting in playing longer.

[staticgirl50]

Ughh since I feel "newer" to this moved forum I cant remember how to quote so I am QUOTING here lol:
Glitching by throwing up an afta is one thing I can agree upon, but glitching through a 3rd party software or the SLH toolbar is very unethical and unfair to hunters who work hard to build their toons and stats! Why bother buying any more BP glam when all you need to do is take down lower levels now, and seriously defeats the purpose of the game! NO more BP purchases and no need for VIP if this is the direction you are going!
I agree using 3rd party software to glitch is not for me. I play the game because I - ME_ want to play, not my computer! ;) With that said I will go back to lurkdom and curse that I need to learn a new forum format! I miss our old home!

[Katherina]

what is glitching with toolbar, sorry, new to this, never burned anyone or get burned by anyone, =)

[Graysie]

I can't believe we're STILL having this discussion. It's been over a year since it first made its "debut". It's not a glitch, since it's obviously here to stay so maybe we can find another term for it. All it is is another part of game strategy. Use it, or don't use it. I think it's fantastic. I've done it, and I've WISHED for people to glitch riders off the bl because it messes me up when I'm hunting. Get over it.

P.S. I miss the old forum. It took me forever to set this one up, and what's up with the math problems?? And my profile pic isn't showing? Ugh. Sorry lol :)

[AuroraM]

This thread is about higher level players being able to attack lower level players that are on the burn list. I believe it's being called "glitching" because lower levels don't appear on the burn list to be able to attack, but if you attack them from their stats page you can take them off the burn list. This seems to be a "glitch" or bug in the game and exploitation of this phenomenon is what is being called into question.

That's the problem, if you don't see it as an afta then you could not glitch it, however the past couple days with the new SLH toolbar out, it just glitches automatically and to me that is not fair, if glitching is going to be part of the game then for those of us who don not utilize other means like that, then when you refresh your BL all levels should come up in order to make it fair game!

[Brenny]

"Glitching" by hitting a rider off of an AFTA or putting a lower level on the BL & taking them off yourself are both things I have accepted as part of the game for over a year so I do not have a problem with these 2 issues. What I have a problem with is people using 3rd party software that does their hunting for them & allows them to attack ANY level. 3rd party software is not acceptable under Playdom's TOS anyways so why is this even a discussion? When a player has spent a lot of time & maybe money on BPs to build a strong character but then a player 3 times their level is able to come in & hit them off of the BL with their 3rd party software, this is NOT ok.

[Krista Erin]

So what house has the "Glitching" witch hunt going on... seems we have lots of new members inspired by this conversation... PS welcome to the forum :P

It's because the SLH toolbar is back and it's set up to show the ENTIRE burnlist - so if you're a level 100 with the toolbar, you can hit a level 5. People are getting pretty irritated because their low level characters are being glitched on a regular basis now, and NOT because of an AFTA while they're trying to ride.

[Krista Erin]

I don't mind if anything goes, then I will sky rocket to the top and attack everyone then. In honesty though this isn't fair to a level 10 with a max house limit of 50. I could every piece of perfect glam, skill points in all the right places but a house of 500 + borders attacking me will not give me a chance to raise my gratitude amount ever.


Also make sure to express your opinions clearly, because this will be read by the developers.

Here's my opinion.

I think SLH and the associated toolbar is for cheaters and the lazy who aren't smart enough to figure out how to hunt for themselves.

Clear enough? :)

[katiekins]

Here's my opinion.

I think SLH and the associated toolbar is for cheaters and the lazy who aren't smart enough to figure out how to hunt for themselves.

Clear enough? :)


HAHA, i agree any bots are for lazy people and i am tired of being burned and KARMA being the only one to hit me. She losses but that is beside the point ;)

[~Spicy~]

It's because the SLH toolbar is back and it's set up to show the ENTIRE burnlist - so if you're a level 100 with the toolbar, you can hit a level 5. People are getting pretty irritated because their low level characters are being glitched on a regular basis now, and NOT because of an AFTA while they're trying to ride.

Thanks Krista... I was wondering why there was such an outcry about this. I guess the topic is not really "glitching" as it is using scripts to play...

Just a reminder that everyone should tread lightly when discussing the place where "cheats" are found as you do not want to violate the ToS of our forum.

[AuroraM]

Thanks Krista... I was wondering why there was such an outcry about this. I guess the topic is not really "glitching" as it is using scripts to play...

Just a reminder that everyone should tread lightly when discussing the place where "cheats" are found as you do not want to violate the ToS of our forum.

That's exactly what it is, it's only been like this the past couple days, I didn't mind the metagaming before, but yea this script thing is the biggest topic in the feeds and the "real" hunters are not even seeing their own grats go up because they are getting scooped so fast by it. I like tossing up someone and running to the BL to take them down if I can, but now I am seeing almost every grat I throw up, all very high socializers are taking them down :p If someone collects a grat I throw up I like to congrats them, but no way does a Level 192 deserve that for taking off a level 11 for 8,000. I won't be burning anytime soon, until they figure this out. I also see in the feeds people are mad and looking into other games and/or social networks :/ I think I have every right to be mad at this as my toon has NO upkeep it's all BP glam, now I feel it's wasted time and money :(

[WoolyBully]

I never thought it was fair that someone on a mini way lower than I could put me on the burn list over and over, but I couldn't burn them back to retaliate. When a lower level attacks, you can at least retaliate by being able to attack that lower level (for a limited time), but there's never been a way to retaliate for burns. What really sucks is the higher you level, the less activity you see on the burn list and the hunting avatar that you spent so much time creating becomes practically worthless. You only get 10 tries at this, once you have no more low level avi's you'd be forced to turn your characters into organizers, which to many is not as exciting and boring, or go find another game to play because the excitement has ended. Glitching would keep the higher levels interesting in playing longer.

I have to agree. Very well said. My high level avatar has been taken off the bl by someone with a level less than 10. Let's face it, the level of the person really doesn't matter as much as the timing of the hit. You have to hit them at the exact moment that will bring their confidence to 0 and it's going to happen if you're put on the bl anyway so what is the difference? I don't think this should even BE a glitch, but just a natural part of the game...everyone plays the same way without penalizing the higher levels.

There are 2 main types of players in this game, bounty hunters and organizers, and of course, they're never going to agree. In the same way, you will never have an agreement on slapping and sweetheart stealing - too many people play this game by making up their own rules because they don't like the way Playdom established it. I would like to see Playdom fix this issue so that there doesn't have to be a glitch, but that everyone is treated the same way. I'm not going to spend a ton of $$ on bp's to build a hunter, only so that she can retire to some old folks home when she's at too high a level to even hunt anymore. It shouldn't have to come from some third party app, but it's obvious that many players would like to see this feature.

[persia0000]

The only problem that needs to be addressed is high level players. There is no way for me to earn the money. I have negative cash flow , I don't ride the burn list or do transfers. Playdom really needs to do something about it,"

This exactly. At level 203, how else am I supposed to make any money? I am over negative 900K per hour in salary and don't dare sell my glam or I will get hacked to pieces in fights; there's no one on the burn list at the high levels; the few people on the attack list are pretty much all banked or in the negative at all times like I am; there's no more events to do; and Philanthropy is a joke as it makes no money and I spend millions just spa'ing up. They need to either give higher levels a higher job/income so that everyone can come out of the spa occasionally and actually play the game or make fighting based on house size alone. In the meantime, I'm cool with glitching.

[Krista Erin]

This exactly. At level 203, how else am I supposed to make any money? I am over negative 900K per hour in salary and don't dare sell my glam or I will get hacked to pieces in fights; there's no one on the burn list at the high levels; the few people on the attack list are pretty much all banked or in the negative at all times like I am; there's no more events to do; and Philanthropy is a joke as it makes no money and I spend millions just spa'ing up. They need to either give higher levels a higher job/income so that everyone can come out of the spa occasionally and actually play the game or make fighting based on house size alone. In the meantime, I'm cool with glitching.

Even if you are high level and have a big negative income you should be able to bank money without a problem. I am level 237 and almost -300,000 an hour (yes, you are 3x my negative income, but because our overall negative number is capped off, this makes little difference). I use all my energy gifts and my accumulated energy all at once on the event that gives out the most money and IP per energy unit. This is enough to get me out of the negative hole I start the day in and in positive bank, usually a few million. Then I could bank that money (which I don't need to as I've been full for ages) or buy glam I need or let it sit there. What I usually do since I don't need anything is buy a bunch of no-upkeep glam until I'm close to $0. That way my negative upkeep does not eat the cash I've made, and if I need cash for something later (to burn someone or for a raffle) I can sell it. Yes, I'm only getting 1/2 value, but if I leave it out it will disappear from my income hour by hour.

I spa up in Casa allllll the time and I have so much extra Casa money I could spa up 100 times as much as I am and still not run out.

I don't care if you glitch or not, I just wanted to point out that having a negative income and being a high level doesn't mean you can't make money :)

[Kitty Khat]

to be honest i've gotten used to bein taken off by a higher lvl player while i'm riding, don't have a problem with that anymore but i just don't find it fair for high lvls to hunt the way bounty hunters do. i've got over 14k depressins from tding myself tryin to stay at a low lvl just to be able to hunt and all that seems in vain now cause of that toolbar

[Cha]

Personally there are many issues at large here for the developers to review.

First you have illegal use of scripts, toobars, etc. The only attempt to regulate said use seems to lock out regular players, and annoy them.

Then you have Glitching. Which, any way you look at it is unfair. Yes, you will be taken down off the BL eventually anyway, but when you are a level 200 you have more sisters and better glam than someone on a level 12. It might be slightly more acceptable to have glitching if the higher players were limited the exact # of fighting sisters as the person on the BL. This would only leave the difference of Glam and skill point placement to be variations.

Third you have that some high level players seem to be somewhat digruntled in the lack of inflation for jobs to combat upkeep and purchases.

[Loubielola]

i am a level 228 i dont typically glitch but id love to be able to BH and see all levels even half my level (like you can burn) i have 33 stamina and before PHILS nothing to so with it

I absolutely LOVE this idea. If we can burn half our level, we should be able to see those levels on the BL too.

[~ Undefined ~]

As a low level bounty hunter, I am not a fan of glitching for all of the reasons mentioned in this thread thus far.

That said, I find it interesting that (at the time of writing this message), the majority of people either are in favor of glitching or neutral to it. That is to say, out of a total of 68 votes so far on this poll:
31 voters (46%) Believe it either should be allowed or is acceptable if intentionally done
15 voters (22%) Don't Care or are Not Sure

Only 22 voters (32%) are outright against glitching in spite of the outcry and debate that has surrounded this controversial topic for the last year or so.

Although I can sympathize for the folks at the higher levels who choose to glitch because there aren't as many activities to keep their interest, this just underscores the fact that perhaps playdom should focus on finding ways to keep the game fresh/creative. Playdom has a captive audience in its SL community (in spite of all the routine/ongoing grumblings)....all they need to do now is to figure out a way keep that captive audience interested and coming back for more (vs. moving on to other games)



Want to explore your feelings on the "glitching" phenomenon, which has been so hotly debated, recently.

Wonder if you think it's okay, or unethical.... or if you're indifferent.... or maybe you think it's okay for you to be able to do, to that select person who really deserves it? (AFTA)
Trying to create a poll - but would love to hear any elaboration you'd care to make!

[Loubielola]

and Philanthropy is a joke as it makes no money and I spend millions just spa'ing up.

Philanthropies are AWESOME. I'm relatively high pop, level 225, and I've been putting every single stamina point possible into philanthropies since they started. And why are you spending millions to spa up while doing philanthropies? That's what the Casablanca spa is for...

[Loubielola]

As for my actual vote on this issue, I said "Don't care." To me, the SLH/other bot methods to glitch are a separate issue from the "glitching" issue brought to us in this thread. Being able to hit low levels on the burn list when you're a higher level... meh, I don't care, like several others have said, you're going to get taken off one way or another.

As for using bots to hit the burn list... absolutely no way. That sucks, pure and simple. And Playdom's "fix" for this thus far, to lock people out, only succeeds in pissing off people who are riding the BL legitimately. It's hard enough to manage to ride the BL through manual means, now if you're riding for more than 20 minutes, you get locked out. That's exceedingly annoying.

[MsBeckyBoop]

I am against using a bot to attack lower levels on the burn list. I think higher levels should have -and desperately need- something more to "do". However, I voted "DON'T CARE" as there are other uses for SLH. Example - the "Vote for all" actually works, you can make links for gifts, vote costumes, etc. I'm assuming there will be other enhancements to SLH and anxiously await them.

It's like the "Slap" button on Sorority Life. You CHOOSE whether you want to slap or not just as you make the choice on SLH to "glitch" people on the Burn List. Once SLH is disabled, then what? There will be something new come along, something else to moan and groan about. Bottom line is you can't please all the people, all of the time!

[Tre Ci Lea]

maybe the bl needs to be opened up to all at lvl 100 and up since that is when everyone can use 500 sisters so that would make it more fair. I don't agree with being able to catch grats on lower levels for the same reason as everyone, it's not fair when they are capped at a certain house size but from lvl 100 and on everyone has the same max house size with the exception of borders. I don't BH or play the BL so it doesn't really matter to me, but that is just the way I see the issue. As for the bots, I really don't think PD is ever going to do anything about them...

[staticgirl50]

If some are able to do this using a different party software, not using an afta, this is unfair. Period. Playdom does not offer it and if they did I would use it, but since they dont, it should not be used. I mean its in the rules.. No 3rd party software. Pretty Simple.
PS- TY 4 editing my last post!

[GrrrumpyBear]

No, I don't think glitching is fair. No, I don't think it should be allowed.

(Here I go. Skip to the last paragraph if you're not up to reading.)

If you think there is very little to actually DO on higher levels or that higher level players can't hunt the BL without glitching consider these non-glitching options:
- Don't level up. A large part of the playable game is accessible to lower level toons. Some events are restricted yes, but you have to decide how much you really think you're missing out. Would you rather finish that event that's going to take you a few days and not be able to hunt as successfully... or have infinite access to better hunting oportunities? TD yourself regularly. If you think that's too involved, I don't think you deserve those better opportunities. Many players have put in the work to have stats worthy of a level 100 toon while still staying under level 20. It's not unfair if they are stronger, richer and/or have better opportunities. They worked to maintain them. Remember - leveling is easy. It's staying low that takes work.
- Do level up. Do what you do on that toon and then switch to a lower one to get your hunting rocks off. People act like players can't (easily) switch between toons. Level the bejesus out of your big guy and come back down to another toon to show that BL who's boss. As often as new SA's have been coming out lately I think that the idea that there's not much for higher levels to do is a cop out. You should be plenty busy. When that fails, switch to a lower toon. It's not rocket science.

If glitching is supposed to be part of the game I feel that all players should be made aware that it's an option. As evidenced in this thread, not everyone knows what glitching is. I think this gives an unfair advantage to the players who DO use it. What about a "What's This?" button next to the attack button on player profiles that explains that there are in fact times when a higher level can attack a lower level? Also a simple blog mention or a well tagged forum post to inform players searching for answers would at least make it so no one is caught unawares.

Saying that people on the BL will be taken off sooner or later really doesn't support either side. It just says that glitching isn't necessary to end longer rides on the BL. If you take healer bots out of the equation I'd say that anyone who has a toon strong enough to survive the BL for longer than two minutes deserves to keep riding. They worked hard enough to make their toon tough enough to withstand the barrage. Let them ride. Unfortunately, there are a lot of players who use third party software to keep their toons riding the BL. I have no suggestion for this. Let them ride too I guess. If you attack them and win then at least you can leave with that pride.

Speaking of riding with or without the aid of a bot... Listen, if it burns your bustle that someone is riding the BL do something about it. Is your toon fully glammed? Are you hitting as hard as you possibly can? There's a chance they have stats,glam, and a mega fast clicky finger to the point that they deserve that right. If you still can't come to terms with not being able to take them down without glitching them - team up! Sorority Life is a social app built on the social network that is Facebook. This game was purposefully built so that you cannot achieve the best without having friends help you. Don't believe me? Try doing well in the game with no one in your house. Glitching discourages team work. So snag up a group of friends and coordinate an attack. If that still doesn't work... maybe their toon is just that good. Even if they ARE botting, is it really worth getting worked up?

Some people think that glitching is a good way to get back at lower level toons who have burned them. Maybe so. Another good way to get back at them is to have a grat so high that it'll break their bank. If a level 20 can afford your grat, they're obviously doing something right and putting in some extra work. You can a) hope that they run out of money b) actively work to raise your grat c) use the retaliate button d) change to a lower level toon and show them what you're made of or e) any/all of the above. Point is that there are plenty of options that don't include glitching.

Why I think that glitching is unfair...
- Lower level characters can't use as many house members and they don't have access to higher tier glam items. Even if Playdom made it so that glitchers could only use the same amount of house members as the lower level player that doesn't account for the glam items that the lower level player isn't able to buy. With all the different types of glam I don't think there's a way to make it even. If you said that the higher level person could also be limited to only glam that's purchasable by the lower level player then how would you figure in BP/LE items and items that were won for a higher level event mastery?
- It negates the work that many lowel level players put into building their toon. It takes a lot of work to play regularly and still not level up. You have to hoarde as much stamina as possible but you still go through it like crazy using it to attack and lose on purpose just to TD yourself and lose a few influence points each time. A level 20 toon who is about to level will probably have to TD themselves about 25 times to get their influence points back down to where they started the level and it's not a simple process. You have to always watch your influence level, your confidence, your stamina. You can only collect so many bonuses a day so if you run out of stamina boosts you have to be in the game multiple times a day to take advantage of the stamina regeneration. It takes TIME. A LOT of time. I think anyone who works that hard to build their toon to that point deserves to know that not just any poorly glammed player who jumped to level 100 in a month can take out the toon that they've been working on for over a year. Who are we rewarding here? It should be the player who's invested the work and not the one who showed up thinking that they've earned something special because they're level 100. Again - leveling in the game occurs naturally and takes very little effort or coordination. Staying low is where skill and strategy are really evident.

I don't think there should be any differentiation between players who "really deserve" to be glitched and ones who might not. It's just too hard to decide where that line should be drawn and opinions WILL differ. Someone said glitching should never be used to take riders off the BL. Okay. How will you know who's riding?

All in all, I don't like that there is the option to glitch. I do think it's unfair. Sure there are some pretty decent solutions that have been suggested but I think the easiest and best is to just take it out of the game. There are plenty of options for higher level players and I just don't sympathize with the plight of the glitch supporters. Whether it goes or stays it doesn't really matter. The people who simply can't handle it will leave or have already. The players who have been on SL the longest are versatile and have adapted their playing style as the game has changed. If glitching is going to stay though, at least try to inform the rest of the players who have no idea what we're talking about.

[Lily3]

I'm not sure if this is what I understand about the glitching. Correct me if I'm wrong :)

Suppose level 78 was put on BL, then somebody use "AFFT" button to post her SL profile on FB. Then level 80 follow that link, go to her profile and attack her.
The game allows this attack, so we call it glitching.

It takes only a few second to take somebody down the BL.
So I believe if that level 78 was on the BL long enough to have the level 80 comes to her profile & attack, then she must be a rider.
And I believe riders are the ones who ask for controlled burn.
So in my opinion, if they use controlled burn to up their BL grats, then there is nothing wrong to allow level 80 attack that level 78


P.S The title definitely needs changing. It's so confusing :eek:

[EvaTakesNoPrisoners]

Well I might as well put in my two cents...
I glitch, not a lot, but if I see a low level rider on the BL with a large enough grat to make it worth the effort I'll post them and switch to my big toon (lvl 164 right now) and see if I can take them down. I don't do it to be mean, I do it cause there's no good way to make money on a higher level toon. I'm fully glammed so I have a negative income that costs me so much money that if I leave it up overnight I'm out 6 or 7 mil by the next day. Even if I use up all my chocolates in one day fighting I'm still not gonna make a lot of money at $70,000 a pop. I think that the money situation could be remedied if the cash earned from fighting extended beyond the 70 thousand cap as you get into higher levels. As it stands now, level 20 earns the same from a fight as a level 200. That seems a little skewed to me.

I also know that getting glitched sucks. I have a lvl 43 BH that I can ride once in a blue moon and 99% of the time she's taken down by a glitcher. I usually just burn them to a crisp or wait for them to level down and attack. So it's not like I'm out of retaliation options if I so desire.

In a nutshell, if I'm going to get glitched then I don't feel too bad when I do it to someone else.

[Angie-Rocks]

If higher levels want to hunt then they should have to make a lower level hunting mini like the rest of us. And when they want to hunt, they can switch over and TD their hunting mini to keep it on a lower level. Why should a level over 100 be allowed to attack someone on a lower level that are using less sisters to fight back with? Of course most of the high level players are going to want to glitch the lower levels and the lower levels don't want to be glitched by the higher levels because they can't ride anymore to try to better their stats. That is common scene. So this thread is going to be pretty much a back and forth issue with probably no solution to make both levels happy. The only time I will glitch someone is if I'm in battle with them.

[Angie-Rocks]

Now you're idea is really good. Since levels 100 and up and all use 500 or more sisters they should all be allowed to hunt. For example a level 180 should be allowed to attack anyone on the BL level 100 and up to give them more grats to catch and be more fair for the lower levels also.
maybe the bl needs to be opened up to all at lvl 100 and up since that is when everyone can use 500 sisters so that would make it more fair. I don't agree with being able to catch grats on lower levels for the same reason as everyone, it's not fair when they are capped at a certain house size but from lvl 100 and on everyone has the same max house size with the exception of borders. I don't BH or play the BL so it doesn't really matter to me, but that is just the way I see the issue. As for the bots, I really don't think PD is ever going to do anything about them...

[Coffeezzz]

If higher levels want to hunt then they should have to make a lower level hunting mini like the rest of us. And when they want to hunt, they can switch over and TD their hunting mini to keep it on a lower level. Why should a level over 100 be allowed to attack someone on a lower level that are using less sisters to fight back with?

For the very same reason I go through the attack list and specifically go first for those that have small houses! Because either people don't have a clue how to play this game or because all they care about is socializing, my attack list for LEVEL 98 has people at that same level with only 6, 9, 11, 15 in their house! Yet, because they are my level, I'm permitted to attack them, over and over and over each day because they have such small houses! If the game allows this, what's the difference? These level 98's have the weakness of someone that's only a level 1, 2, or 3!! When someone puts you on the bl, it's more about the timing of your attack, not necessarily your level! That's why some puny little level 9 can actually get a huge grat from someone whose level is over 100. Not because they're necessarily stronger, but that's the way the BL works! Once you're put on that BL, you're going to get picked off...and ALL players should have the same opportunity as the puny level 9 hunter! Hopefully, the glitching will keep those nasty BL riders from clogging up the list. I've hit way too many of them by accident and tire of seeing them on there for 9 hours!

[Angie-Rocks]

But the people on the higher levels can get passed around on the feed and have more sisters added to their house or they can buy borders to fight back. On a lower level we don't have that luxury and CAN NOT fight back against a higher level.
For the very same reason I go through the attack list and specifically go first for those that have small houses! Because either people don't have a clue how to play this game or because all they care about is socializing, my attack list for LEVEL 98 has people at that same level with only 6, 9, 11, 15 in their house! Yet, because they are my level, I'm permitted to attack them, over and over and over each day because they have such small houses! If the game allows this, what's the difference? These level 98's have the weakness of someone that's only a level 1, 2, or 3!! When someone puts you on the bl, it's more about the timing of your attack, not necessarily your level! That's why some puny little level 9 can actually get a huge grat from someone whose level is over 100. Not because they're necessarily stronger, but that's the way the BL works! Once you're put on that BL, you're going to get picked off...and ALL players should have the same opportunity as the puny level 9 hunter! Hopefully, the glitching will keep those nasty BL riders from clogging up the list. I've hit way too many of them by accident and tire of seeing them on there for 9 hours!

[Angie-Rocks]

WHAT IS CHEATING? I feel that a higher level knocking my mini off the BL is cheating since they get to use their WHOLE house against my limited amount on a lower level but you think it's fair and not cheating. Now the SLH toolbar can automactically take off lower levels and it make it's harder for the higher levels to sit there and look for people to "glitch". From what I see here, most people will only call it cheating OR not cheating if it does OR doesn't benefit THEM! Glitching was NOT part of the game from the beginning and was supposedly put in to control the bots. Well now we have the LOCKOUTS do to that so Carol can now remove the glitch. Us lower level bounty hunters pay our far share for BP's so we have a right to a fair game also. If the game was this was like that from the beginning that would be different but it wasn't. I personally think it would be awesome if glitching was completely eliminated.
Thanks Krista... I was wondering why there was such an outcry about this. I guess the topic is not really "glitching" as it is using scripts to play...

Just a reminder that everyone should tread lightly when discussing the place where "cheats" are found as you do not want to violate the ToS of our forum.

[Lorielle]

I don't really get the big deal. If you are on the burn list, whoever "attacks" you to take you off, it doesn't even matter what size their house is or what their stats are. Any hit whatsoever will take away confidence and may be the hit to take you off the burn list. Even if they attack and LOSE, they may win the grat. House size and stats are not really as important as TIMING in taking someone off the list. So if someone wants to use a loophole to find more people on the burn list, I really don't care one way or another. I do however disagree with any "3rd party" mechanics to make the game easier for people. If the game is too hard for you to play the way Playdom has it set up, maybe people should go find another game to play.

[JessikaLucia_]

i disagree with t he feature coming off completely only due to the fact that when im battling with someone i glitch them. just like everyone else seems to do. i think ppl want their cake and wanna eat it too. SOME only want the glitch to be in place when its good for them while battling but get offended if a higher level takes them of the burn list.... why get offended? i dont see ANYONE getting offended when they are glitching someone for dropping down to a mini .... if i get taken off by a higher level, i just retaliate on them. i thought thats why people had different characters on different levels.. its no different than if someone attacks my higher level and drops down, i drop down with them if i want to battle... i dont think this is a "glitch"... just an unconventional way of playing most ppl are starting to embrace due to boredom on their higher levels. it sucks for the BH, yeah i'll agree. I hate losses like the next person...

and as far as scripts go? thats a whole other topic i wont get into .

[The Dungeon Keeper]

Let me just say, while I don't always love getting glitched, I like the feature and I'm going to be sad if it gets taken out of the game. It has spiced up the game at a point where things started getting boring for various reasons (like nsnn houses going neutral). And I ride about all my chars.

I see a lot of you equate glitching with using bots. I certainly don't like that, but that's because of the bot part. I have no problem if I get glitched because I am riding and there is a simple solution: don't ride when you know you've been posted to be glitched. I know my grat is good so people will glitch me. It is my challenge then to make sure they still lose.

I also glitch people myself, because I like taking my own cash back, because I like annoying people and sometimes just because I don't like the rider. Being on the burn list makes you an open target, deal with it. If you wanna ride, build your char and play accordingly. Don't come whining if you can't.

[Angie-Rocks]

Another thing is the glitching came after a lot of us bounty hunters put our skill points in pop for protection while we ride. Now that we can't really ride anymore, we still can't change our skill points around. What good does our skill points do for us now on pop? Years later after we put our skill points into pop and give ourselves a lot of depressions to stay on a lower level to hunt, Carol decides to come out with this. This made a lot of bounty hunters mad because after all our hard work and spending our real money on BP's to build strong hunters, she gives it over to all the higher levels. It's like the lower level bounty hunters don't matter in the game anymore. Even though she gave something to the higher level players, she took something special away from us. Who ever is not a lower level bounty hunter is not going to really understand how we feel anyway. Now if Carol would allow lower levels use be able to use 500 sisters and their borders to fight back that be different but she doesn't.

[Bama B]

No, I don't think glitching is fair. No, I don't think it should be allowed.

(Here I go. Skip to the last paragraph if you're not up to reading.)

If you think there is very little to actually DO on higher levels or that higher level players can't hunt the BL without glitching consider these non-glitching options:
- Don't level up. A large part of the playable game is accessible to lower level toons. Some events are restricted yes, but you have to decide how much you really think you're missing out. Would you rather finish that event that's going to take you a few days and not be able to hunt as successfully... or have infinite access to better hunting oportunities? TD yourself regularly. If you think that's too involved, I don't think you deserve those better opportunities. Many players have put in the work to have stats worthy of a level 100 toon while still staying under level 20. It's not unfair if they are stronger, richer and/or have better opportunities. They worked to maintain them. Remember - leveling is easy. It's staying low that takes work.
- Do level up. Do what you do on that toon and then switch to a lower one to get your hunting rocks off. People act like players can't (easily) switch between toons. Level the bejesus out of your big guy and come back down to another toon to show that BL who's boss. As often as new SA's have been coming out lately I think that the idea that there's not much for higher levels to do is a cop out. You should be plenty busy. When that fails, switch to a lower toon. It's not rocket science.

If glitching is supposed to be part of the game I feel that all players should be made aware that it's an option. As evidenced in this thread, not everyone knows what glitching is. I think this gives an unfair advantage to the players who DO use it. What about a "What's This?" button next to the attack button on player profiles that explains that there are in fact times when a higher level can attack a lower level? Also a simple blog mention or a well tagged forum post to inform players searching for answers would at least make it so no one is caught unawares.

Saying that people on the BL will be taken off sooner or later really doesn't support either side. It just says that glitching isn't necessary to end longer rides on the BL. If you take healer bots out of the equation I'd say that anyone who has a toon strong enough to survive the BL for longer than two minutes deserves to keep riding. They worked hard enough to make their toon tough enough to withstand the barrage. Let them ride. Unfortunately, there are a lot of players who use third party software to keep their toons riding the BL. I have no suggestion for this. Let them ride too I guess. If you attack them and win then at least you can leave with that pride.

Speaking of riding with or without the aid of a bot... Listen, if it burns your bustle that someone is riding the BL do something about it. Is your toon fully glammed? Are you hitting as hard as you possibly can? There's a chance they have stats,glam, and a mega fast clicky finger to the point that they deserve that right. If you still can't come to terms with not being able to take them down without glitching them - team up! Sorority Life is a social app built on the social network that is Facebook. This game was purposefully built so that you cannot achieve the best without having friends help you. Don't believe me? Try doing well in the game with no one in your house. Glitching discourages team work. So snag up a group of friends and coordinate an attack. If that still doesn't work... maybe their toon is just that good. Even if they ARE botting, is it really worth getting worked up?

Some people think that glitching is a good way to get back at lower level toons who have burned them. Maybe so. Another good way to get back at them is to have a grat so high that it'll break their bank. If a level 20 can afford your grat, they're obviously doing something right and putting in some extra work. You can a) hope that they run out of money b) actively work to raise your grat c) use the retaliate button d) change to a lower level toon and show them what you're made of or e) any/all of the above. Point is that there are plenty of options that don't include glitching.

Why I think that glitching is unfair...
- Lower level characters can't use as many house members and they don't have access to higher tier glam items. Even if Playdom made it so that glitchers could only use the same amount of house members as the lower level player that doesn't account for the glam items that the lower level player isn't able to buy. With all the different types of glam I don't think there's a way to make it even. If you said that the higher level person could also be limited to only glam that's purchasable by the lower level player then how would you figure in BP/LE items and items that were won for a higher level event mastery?
- It negates the work that many lowel level players put into building their toon. It takes a lot of work to play regularly and still not level up. You have to hoarde as much stamina as possible but you still go through it like crazy using it to attack and lose on purpose just to TD yourself and lose a few influence points each time. A level 20 toon who is about to level will probably have to TD themselves about 25 times to get their influence points back down to where they started the level and it's not a simple process. You have to always watch your influence level, your confidence, your stamina. You can only collect so many bonuses a day so if you run out of stamina boosts you have to be in the game multiple times a day to take advantage of the stamina regeneration. It takes TIME. A LOT of time. I think anyone who works that hard to build their toon to that point deserves to know that not just any poorly glammed player who jumped to level 100 in a month can take out the toon that they've been working on for over a year. Who are we rewarding here? It should be the player who's invested the work and not the one who showed up thinking that they've earned something special because they're level 100. Again - leveling in the game occurs naturally and takes very little effort or coordination. Staying low is where skill and strategy are really evident.

I don't think there should be any differentiation between players who "really deserve" to be glitched and ones who might not. It's just too hard to decide where that line should be drawn and opinions WILL differ. Someone said glitching should never be used to take riders off the BL. Okay. How will you know who's riding?

All in all, I don't like that there is the option to glitch. I do think it's unfair. Sure there are some pretty decent solutions that have been suggested but I think the easiest and best is to just take it out of the game. There are plenty of options for higher level players and I just don't sympathize with the plight of the glitch supporters. Whether it goes or stays it doesn't really matter. The people who simply can't handle it will leave or have already. The players who have been on SL the longest are versatile and have adapted their playing style as the game has changed. If glitching is going to stay though, at least try to inform the rest of the players who have no idea what we're talking about.
This is exactly what I was going to say, but since you have gone through all the trouble of typing it and covered everything so clearly and concisely I'll just give you two thumbs up ! :D Bottom line, higher level players chose to level up. I do agree that Playdom needs a few more jobs at the top levels.

[Angie-Rocks]

VERY WELL SAID! Thank you for taking the time to write this. :)
No, I don't think glitching is fair. No, I don't think it should be allowed.

(Here I go. Skip to the last paragraph if you're not up to reading.)

If you think there is very little to actually DO on higher levels or that higher level players can't hunt the BL without glitching consider these non-glitching options:
- Don't level up. A large part of the playable game is accessible to lower level toons. Some events are restricted yes, but you have to decide how much you really think you're missing out. Would you rather finish that event that's going to take you a few days and not be able to hunt as successfully... or have infinite access to better hunting oportunities? TD yourself regularly. If you think that's too involved, I don't think you deserve those better opportunities. Many players have put in the work to have stats worthy of a level 100 toon while still staying under level 20. It's not unfair if they are stronger, richer and/or have better opportunities. They worked to maintain them. Remember - leveling is easy. It's staying low that takes work.
- Do level up. Do what you do on that toon and then switch to a lower one to get your hunting rocks off. People act like players can't (easily) switch between toons. Level the bejesus out of your big guy and come back down to another toon to show that BL who's boss. As often as new SA's have been coming out lately I think that the idea that there's not much for higher levels to do is a cop out. You should be plenty busy. When that fails, switch to a lower toon. It's not rocket science.

If glitching is supposed to be part of the game I feel that all players should be made aware that it's an option. As evidenced in this thread, not everyone knows what glitching is. I think this gives an unfair advantage to the players who DO use it. What about a "What's This?" button next to the attack button on player profiles that explains that there are in fact times when a higher level can attack a lower level? Also a simple blog mention or a well tagged forum post to inform players searching for answers would at least make it so no one is caught unawares.

Saying that people on the BL will be taken off sooner or later really doesn't support either side. It just says that glitching isn't necessary to end longer rides on the BL. If you take healer bots out of the equation I'd say that anyone who has a toon strong enough to survive the BL for longer than two minutes deserves to keep riding. They worked hard enough to make their toon tough enough to withstand the barrage. Let them ride. Unfortunately, there are a lot of players who use third party software to keep their toons riding the BL. I have no suggestion for this. Let them ride too I guess. If you attack them and win then at least you can leave with that pride.

Speaking of riding with or without the aid of a bot... Listen, if it burns your bustle that someone is riding the BL do something about it. Is your toon fully glammed? Are you hitting as hard as you possibly can? There's a chance they have stats,glam, and a mega fast clicky finger to the point that they deserve that right. If you still can't come to terms with not being able to take them down without glitching them - team up! Sorority Life is a social app built on the social network that is Facebook. This game was purposefully built so that you cannot achieve the best without having friends help you. Don't believe me? Try doing well in the game with no one in your house. Glitching discourages team work. So snag up a group of friends and coordinate an attack. If that still doesn't work... maybe their toon is just that good. Even if they ARE botting, is it really worth getting worked up?

Some people think that glitching is a good way to get back at lower level toons who have burned them. Maybe so. Another good way to get back at them is to have a grat so high that it'll break their bank. If a level 20 can afford your grat, they're obviously doing something right and putting in some extra work. You can a) hope that they run out of money b) actively work to raise your grat c) use the retaliate button d) change to a lower level toon and show them what you're made of or e) any/all of the above. Point is that there are plenty of options that don't include glitching.

Why I think that glitching is unfair...
- Lower level characters can't use as many house members and they don't have access to higher tier glam items. Even if Playdom made it so that glitchers could only use the same amount of house members as the lower level player that doesn't account for the glam items that the lower level player isn't able to buy. With all the different types of glam I don't think there's a way to make it even. If you said that the higher level person could also be limited to only glam that's purchasable by the lower level player then how would you figure in BP/LE items and items that were won for a higher level event mastery?
- It negates the work that many lowel level players put into building their toon. It takes a lot of work to play regularly and still not level up. You have to hoarde as much stamina as possible but you still go through it like crazy using it to attack and lose on purpose just to TD yourself and lose a few influence points each time. A level 20 toon who is about to level will probably have to TD themselves about 25 times to get their influence points back down to where they started the level and it's not a simple process. You have to always watch your influence level, your confidence, your stamina. You can only collect so many bonuses a day so if you run out of stamina boosts you have to be in the game multiple times a day to take advantage of the stamina regeneration. It takes TIME. A LOT of time. I think anyone who works that hard to build their toon to that point deserves to know that not just any poorly glammed player who jumped to level 100 in a month can take out the toon that they've been working on for over a year. Who are we rewarding here? It should be the player who's invested the work and not the one who showed up thinking that they've earned something special because they're level 100. Again - leveling in the game occurs naturally and takes very little effort or coordination. Staying low is where skill and strategy are really evident.

I don't think there should be any differentiation between players who "really deserve" to be glitched and ones who might not. It's just too hard to decide where that line should be drawn and opinions WILL differ. Someone said glitching should never be used to take riders off the BL. Okay. How will you know who's riding?

All in all, I don't like that there is the option to glitch. I do think it's unfair. Sure there are some pretty decent solutions that have been suggested but I think the easiest and best is to just take it out of the game. There are plenty of options for higher level players and I just don't sympathize with the plight of the glitch supporters. Whether it goes or stays it doesn't really matter. The people who simply can't handle it will leave or have already. The players who have been on SL the longest are versatile and have adapted their playing style as the game has changed. If glitching is going to stay though, at least try to inform the rest of the players who have no idea what we're talking about.

[Angie-Rocks]

There are more people telling me on the feed that they want to comment on the forum but staying it won't let them make an account. Help?

[R. Martini]

This expresses my sentiments too. I have also heard many say it should not matter who takes you off the BL, but it does matter. I get burned a lot and count on those burns to increase my total wins. With this SLH low level glitching, now all I do is lose over and over and over to high levels. I worked hard to keep my character from leveling and to have great stats. I don't find it acceptable that a high level can destroy that by having a larger house and using SLH. I choose to keep my character low and it's not my fault that others didn't.

[R. Martini]

It took me a few tries to get it to work.

[Lorielle]

This expresses my sentiments too. I have also heard many say it should not matter who takes you off the BL, but it does matter. I get burned a lot and count on those burns to increase my total wins. With this SLH low level glitching, now all I do is lose over and over and over to high levels. I worked hard to keep my character from leveling and to have great stats. I don't find it acceptable that a high level can destroy that by having a larger house and using SLH. I choose to keep my character low and it's not my fault that others didn't.

This does make sense, I do understand your reasoning.

[♥ ♥ ♥ ♥]

Glitching by throwing up an afta is one thing I can agree upon, but glitching through a 3rd party software or the SLH toolbar is very unethical and unfair to hunters who work hard to build their toons and stats! Why bother buying any more BP glam when all you need to do is take down lower levels now, and seriously defeats the purpose of the game! NO more BP purchases and no need for VIP if this is the direction you are going!

Very well said - I agree 100%

[Pyromania]

I have read this whole thread and sat and thought and I can see both sides but I have to side with the fact that I think a higher level should not be attacking a lower level unless it's a true retaliation. When a level 200 takes down a level 20, then on the level 20 feed it should say 'you were attacked by such and such level 200, and not 'such and such retaliated against you' because it's not a true retaliation. I understand that higher levels get no action...well make a mini. It's fun. It's an original feature of the game. BH's work really hard to build characters. It's a lot of work to see go down the drain when someone with an SLH toolbar comes and takes you down. I don't know.....I would be more willing to accept a higher level taking me down from an AFTA post, rather than someone using some software to do it. :(

[~Spicy~]

I would like to remind people that while we are tolerant of your passionate support of this topic we will not tolerate people making multiple accounts to voice their opinions.

Thanks and happy posting.

[Squeeky]

I don't know if anybody has this problem, but I can't buy brownie points. When I try to access that page in the game, it's all messed up and I can seem to buy them in any way? Is anyone else going through this? And if no, can I buy them from somewhere else?

[Pyromania]

I would like to remind people that while we are tolerant of your passionate support of this topic we will not tolerate people making multiple accounts to voice their opinions.

Thanks and happy posting.

Hi, it would not accept my old username and password so I registered again so I could post (just in case that was for me)

[Greenly]

I'm curious if anyone has brought this up. I've skimmed through some of the posts but I haven't read through them all.

If house size and glam stats are the problem, then is it possible for Playdom to adjust the settings in an 'unfair' fight? Or rather, unfair fights from the BL?

If 10 levels, higher or lower, is currently Sorority Life Standard for fighting, and Levels 200 find it impossible to get grats.. then why not create a situation where those level 200 players can only use glam that is within 10 levels of the person they're trying to claim? They won't get to use glam to take out a grat that isn't also available to the grat within 10 levels (or whatever they decide upon). This will reduce the ability to be Level 200 and reach all the way down to a level 40 and claim them.

It would definitely become a High Level dominated game as all high levels would eliminate the possibility for lower level players to catch ANY grat at all!

I also tend to agree the the actual taking someone off the BL is expected, regardless of who comes along and finds you on there, someone is going to take you off. But is it unfair to those trying to claim grats that never get the chance to even try b/c higher levels are able to take them down in a heartbeat?

And as far as how FAST they come off the BL.. the BL is always empty for me. In the 3 or 4 years I've played SL.. I think I've caught 2 or 3 grats. Ever. It's not worth my time to sit there and click click click click click click click click click click.. nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing.. how is that fun???

[Greenly]

Why bother buying any more BP glam when all you need to do is take down lower levels now, and seriously defeats the purpose of the game! NO more BP purchases and no need for VIP if this is the direction you are going!

Wow, a girl works real hard at bringing her personal agenda to playdom.

Glitching won't effect BP purchases nor VIP's. People like me play this game because of the fun and the desire to have unique Glam.. not to live in the world of glitching. The majority of players who buy BP's for glam do so in low amounts. We don't drain our bank accounts on glam so we can ride the burnlist. We buy BP's in SL just like we buy WC in My Vineyard and Gold in CoW... so we can have unique items to display on our Ava's or 'yards or cities.

It's a low pot-shot and a quite obvious one. "Strike FEAR into the heart of Playdom's wallet!" Pathetic, really.

[Angie-Rocks]

Some kind of adjustment would be nice to make it more fairer for all levels and your suggestion is good. And House size and glam stats is a big problem when someone on level 100 or higher attacks a level 20. The lower level has no chance at all against them because they can use 500 sisters plus borders against the lower levels.
I'm curious if anyone has brought this up. I've skimmed through some of the posts but I haven't read through them all.

If house size and glam stats are the problem, then is it possible for Playdom to adjust the settings in an 'unfair' fight? Or rather, unfair fights from the BL?

If 10 levels, higher or lower, is currently Sorority Life Standard for fighting, and Levels 200 find it impossible to get grats.. then why not create a situation where those level 200 players can only use glam that is within 10 levels of the person they're trying to claim? They won't get to use glam to take out a grat that isn't also available to the grat within 10 levels (or whatever they decide upon). This will reduce the ability to be Level 200 and reach all the way down to a level 40 and claim them.

It would definitely become a High Level dominated game as all high levels would eliminate the possibility for lower level players to catch ANY grat at all!

I also tend to agree the the actual taking someone off the BL is expected, regardless of who comes along and finds you on there, someone is going to take you off. But is it unfair to those trying to claim grats that never get the chance to even try b/c higher levels are able to take them down in a heartbeat?

And as far as how FAST they come off the BL.. the BL is always empty for me. In the 3 or 4 years I've played SL.. I think I've caught 2 or 3 grats. Ever. It's not worth my time to sit there and click click click click click click click click click click.. nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing.. how is that fun???

[**Lee**]

No, I don't think glitching is fair. No, I don't think it should be allowed.

(Here I go. Skip to the last paragraph if you're not up to reading.)

If you think there is very little to actually DO on higher levels or that higher level players can't hunt the BL without glitching consider these non-glitching options:
- Don't level up. A large part of the playable game is accessible to lower level toons. Some events are restricted yes, but you have to decide how much you really think you're missing out. Would you rather finish that event that's going to take you a few days and not be able to hunt as successfully... or have infinite access to better hunting oportunities? TD yourself regularly. If you think that's too involved, I don't think you deserve those better opportunities. Many players have put in the work to have stats worthy of a level 100 toon while still staying under level 20. It's not unfair if they are stronger, richer and/or have better opportunities. They worked to maintain them. Remember - leveling is easy. It's staying low that takes work.
- Do level up. Do what you do on that toon and then switch to a lower one to get your hunting rocks off. People act like players can't (easily) switch between toons. Level the bejesus out of your big guy and come back down to another toon to show that BL who's boss. As often as new SA's have been coming out lately I think that the idea that there's not much for higher levels to do is a cop out. You should be plenty busy. When that fails, switch to a lower toon. It's not rocket science.

If glitching is supposed to be part of the game I feel that all players should be made aware that it's an option. As evidenced in this thread, not everyone knows what glitching is. I think this gives an unfair advantage to the players who DO use it. What about a "What's This?" button next to the attack button on player profiles that explains that there are in fact times when a higher level can attack a lower level? Also a simple blog mention or a well tagged forum post to inform players searching for answers would at least make it so no one is caught unawares.

Saying that people on the BL will be taken off sooner or later really doesn't support either side. It just says that glitching isn't necessary to end longer rides on the BL. If you take healer bots out of the equation I'd say that anyone who has a toon strong enough to survive the BL for longer than two minutes deserves to keep riding. They worked hard enough to make their toon tough enough to withstand the barrage. Let them ride. Unfortunately, there are a lot of players who use third party software to keep their toons riding the BL. I have no suggestion for this. Let them ride too I guess. If you attack them and win then at least you can leave with that pride.

Speaking of riding with or without the aid of a bot... Listen, if it burns your bustle that someone is riding the BL do something about it. Is your toon fully glammed? Are you hitting as hard as you possibly can? There's a chance they have stats,glam, and a mega fast clicky finger to the point that they deserve that right. If you still can't come to terms with not being able to take them down without glitching them - team up! Sorority Life is a social app built on the social network that is Facebook. This game was purposefully built so that you cannot achieve the best without having friends help you. Don't believe me? Try doing well in the game with no one in your house. Glitching discourages team work. So snag up a group of friends and coordinate an attack. If that still doesn't work... maybe their toon is just that good. Even if they ARE botting, is it really worth getting worked up?

Some people think that glitching is a good way to get back at lower level toons who have burned them. Maybe so. Another good way to get back at them is to have a grat so high that it'll break their bank. If a level 20 can afford your grat, they're obviously doing something right and putting in some extra work. You can a) hope that they run out of money b) actively work to raise your grat c) use the retaliate button d) change to a lower level toon and show them what you're made of or e) any/all of the above. Point is that there are plenty of options that don't include glitching.

Why I think that glitching is unfair...
- Lower level characters can't use as many house members and they don't have access to higher tier glam items. Even if Playdom made it so that glitchers could only use the same amount of house members as the lower level player that doesn't account for the glam items that the lower level player isn't able to buy. With all the different types of glam I don't think there's a way to make it even. If you said that the higher level person could also be limited to only glam that's purchasable by the lower level player then how would you figure in BP/LE items and items that were won for a higher level event mastery?
- It negates the work that many lowel level players put into building their toon. It takes a lot of work to play regularly and still not level up. You have to hoarde as much stamina as possible but you still go through it like crazy using it to attack and lose on purpose just to TD yourself and lose a few influence points each time. A level 20 toon who is about to level will probably have to TD themselves about 25 times to get their influence points back down to where they started the level and it's not a simple process. You have to always watch your influence level, your confidence, your stamina. You can only collect so many bonuses a day so if you run out of stamina boosts you have to be in the game multiple times a day to take advantage of the stamina regeneration. It takes TIME. A LOT of time. I think anyone who works that hard to build their toon to that point deserves to know that not just any poorly glammed player who jumped to level 100 in a month can take out the toon that they've been working on for over a year. Who are we rewarding here? It should be the player who's invested the work and not the one who showed up thinking that they've earned something special because they're level 100. Again - leveling in the game occurs naturally and takes very little effort or coordination. Staying low is where skill and strategy are really evident.

I don't think there should be any differentiation between players who "really deserve" to be glitched and ones who might not. It's just too hard to decide where that line should be drawn and opinions WILL differ. Someone said glitching should never be used to take riders off the BL. Okay. How will you know who's riding?

All in all, I don't like that there is the option to glitch. I do think it's unfair. Sure there are some pretty decent solutions that have been suggested but I think the easiest and best is to just take it out of the game. There are plenty of options for higher level players and I just don't sympathize with the plight of the glitch supporters. Whether it goes or stays it doesn't really matter. The people who simply can't handle it will leave or have already. The players who have been on SL the longest are versatile and have adapted their playing style as the game has changed. If glitching is going to stay though, at least try to inform the rest of the players who have no idea what we're talking about.

Well said! I would add here skills points problem, high levels have more skill points, however if high level attacks low levels even they have same numbers of sisters and same glam, high level will win anyway by skills points....

[Angie-Rocks]

I never through about that part but you're right. Higher levels do have more skill points to fight with than lower levels. Excellent point brought up.
Well said! I would add here skills points problem, high levels have more skill points, however if high level attacks low levels even they have same numbers of sisters and same glam, high level will win anyway by skills points....

[Sweeet Jane]

wtf, this is NO GLITCH. do you ppl even know why you're allowed to attack any level on the bl?? blame the ppl in Mobsters who kept crashing the hitlist. playdom implemented this rule so there wouldnt be thousands of lvl 5's sitting on the hitlist, forcing it to crash.. they probably programmed it into all of their apps.. geez, this is allowed by playdom, ppl who use this "glitch" are not hackers nor glitchers

[Sweeet Jane]

also, im a level 282.. how the hell else could i collect grats if i cant hit lower levels?? i dont go ruining ppl's rides or anything, but still... i want grats too

[GrrrumpyBear]

Well said! I would add here skills points problem, high levels have more skill points, however if high level attacks low levels even they have same numbers of sisters and same glam, high level will win anyway by skills points.... You're absolutely right. I didn't figure that in at all. Though it's possible that someone on a lower level may have more SP's than someone higher than them (Event Mastery or Toolbar gift...) it's certainly not even close to the normal scenario. It's another reason why the idea just doesn't work.


also, im a level 282.. how the hell else could i collect grats if i cant hit lower levels?? i dont go ruining ppl's rides or anything, but still... i want grats too You switch toons. Your 282 had it's chance when it was a lower level. It's no one else's fault that you passed that chance up nor is it anyones responsibility to accomodate you because you chose to move up where they did not. If you knew you liked hunting you shouldn't have leveled up to 282. That's like a fat person complaining about not being able to run anymore. It's no one's fault but their own. Should have have stopped shoving missions down your gullet before it got to that point. OR like a lot of hunters - if you know you're going to be packing in the calories(IP), head to the gym and work it off! (TD!!) I'm really not sure why so many people don't seem to understand this concept. Yeah it's extra work. If you're too lazy, then feel free to level up all 10 of your toons. Just don't cry about your lack of opportunities when you knowingly passed them up.

[AuroraM]

Wow, a girl works real hard at bringing her personal agenda to playdom.

Glitching won't effect BP purchases nor VIP's. People like me play this game because of the fun and the desire to have unique Glam.. not to live in the world of glitching. The majority of players who buy BP's for glam do so in low amounts. We don't drain our bank accounts on glam so we can ride the burnlist. We buy BP's in SL just like we buy WC in My Vineyard and Gold in CoW... so we can have unique items to display on our Ava's or 'yards or cities.

It's a low pot-shot and a quite obvious one. "Strike FEAR into the heart of Playdom's wallet!" Pathetic, really.

This is a place to express yourself, and I only play SL, I do not ride so don't assume you know, I have built my hunters with ALL BP glam to hit higher levels, and my response to that was if I can only attack 20 levels higher, I PERSONALLY DO NOT HAVE TO WASTE ANYMORE MONEY! The reason for that being I have o desire to level and those who want to hunt and have very high levels, should learn to make a new lower level and do so, they had their chance and still do, once you get past a certain level you basically become a socializer and fighter, it's been that way for years, also why fix something that isn't broken! It is the use of any thing that can glitch such as a toolbar that a level 193 can take off a level 6, but those of us who play fair can not see those lower levels to glitch them because they do NOT show up on BL! AND personally I know a lot of people that will be terminating their VIP status due to this cheating!

[katiekins]

id like to see ur avi i assumed mimi was the highest. at a level 258

[katiekins]

just saw it is on myspace! nice !

[Sweeet Jane]

You're absolutely right. I didn't figure that in at all. Though it's possible that someone on a lower level may have more SP's than someone higher than them (Event Mastery or Toolbar gift...) it's certainly not even close to the normal scenario. It's another reason why the idea just doesn't work.

You switch toons. Your 282 had it's chance when it was a lower level. It's no one else's fault that you passed that chance up nor is it anyones responsibility to accomodate you because you chose to move up where they did not. If you knew you liked hunting you shouldn't have leveled up to 282. That's like a fat person complaining about not being able to run anymore. It's no one's fault but their own. Should have have stopped shoving missions down your gullet before it got to that point. OR like a lot of hunters - if you know you're going to be packing in the calories(IP), head to the gym and work it off! (TD!!) I'm really not sure why so many people don't seem to understand this concept. Yeah it's extra work. If you're too lazy, then feel free to level up all 10 of your toons. Just don't cry about your lack of opportunities when you knowingly passed them up.

sorry, i barely read what your post said as soon as you starting rambling on about fat ppl.. YOU ppl just need to deal with the rules set in place by playdom. READ MY FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD, it explains why you're able to attack the bl like this

[Sweeet Jane]

after reading more of this thread, it looks like SLH is the main problem, not the bl rules... playdom should step in & do something then.. or maybe you ppl should migrate back to myspace lol, we dont have SLH over there that im aware of..

[GrrrumpyBear]

sorry, i barely read what your post said as soon as you starting rambling on about fat ppl.. YOU ppl just need to deal with the rules set in place by playdom. READ MY FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD, it explains why you're able to attack the bl like this

I don't see why I should READ YOUR FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD when you admit to not reading what I wrote. :) But to be clear, I did read your first post, and every other post in this thread. Whether or not your explanation is accurate doesn't mean it works out to be fair. We're not here to discuss why the game is the way it is. We're here to discuss whether or not it's fair.

You shouldn't dispense advice about how "YOU ppl just need to deal with the rules set in place by playdom" when you can't even come to terms with the fact that you can't hunt well on a level 282... Maybe YOU ppl just need to deal with the way the game has always been.

Telling other people to do what you won't do is kind of ridiculous. You've done it twice in three sentences. Not a good record.

[Krista Erin]

also, im a level 282.. how the hell else could i collect grats if i cant hit lower levels?? i dont go ruining ppl's rides or anything, but still... i want grats too

Then maybe you should have kept your character low. You can't have everything and be every type of player on one character, that's totally unreasonable.

[biochy bruce]

why has no one mentioned this SLH toolbar? Am I missing it???? Its causing a ton of gliches. As a self made Hunter i think this toolbar is completely unfair and I think it needs to be stopppppped immediately. I tried this thing today and caught like 15 grats in 10 mins. I think this needs to be discussed and stopped.


Want to explore your feelings on the "glitching" phenomenon, which has been so hotly debated, recently.

Wonder if you think it's okay, or unethical.... or if you're indifferent.... or maybe you think it's okay for you to be able to do, to that select person who really deserves it? (AFTA)
Trying to create a poll - but would love to hear any elaboration you'd care to make!

[biochy bruce]

it doesn't even matter if you keep it low. i have been a level 20 for 6 months and think its insanity.

[**Lee**]

Problem here is people want to level up and open TD shops... sounds easy, right? all you do is spa up and wins come to you... But they need cash for spa up, if playdom takes a glitch away its going to kill money transfers and they cant take riders off... So glitches are a benefit to them.... Why playdom just dont do something with our unkeeps and this is not going to be an issue...
Now, if low level attacks high levels and win, high levels have option to retaliate, not fair one too - 1 to 10... But when high levels glitch low levels, low levels just have to deal with it.... Not fair too... SLH is not the root of the problem it is the result of existing glitch, that playdom allowed and adapted in the game... However this game has too many unfair things going on, and nobody does anything about it... I dont want to spend anymore money on this game, doesnt matter how much LE glam I buy, I always will lose to level 100 who glamed with just a basic glam...

[Sweeet Jane]

I don't see why I should READ YOUR FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD when you admit to not reading what I wrote. :) But to be clear, I did read your first post, and every other post in this thread. Whether or not your explanation is accurate doesn't mean it works out to be fair. We're not here to discuss why the game is the way it is. We're here to discuss whether or not it's fair.

You shouldn't dispense advice about how "YOU ppl just need to deal with the rules set in place by playdom" when you can't even come to terms with the fact that you can't hunt well on a level 282... Maybe YOU ppl just need to deal with the way the game has always been.

Telling other people to do what you won't do is kind of ridiculous. You've done it twice in three sentences. Not a good record.


Then maybe you should have kept your character low. You can't have everything and be every type of player on one character, that's totally unreasonable.

obviously im STILL collecting grats at lvl 282. in fact, i hit my limit every day :o
i dont take down riders or other ppl at all on the bl, im all defense.. i make my own grats to collect.. see, im not even ruining anyone's game.. damn crybabies :cool:

[Kamelita]

This whole thread is like
http://goodniteirene.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/crying_baby_medium.jpg

[The BAR MOM]

Glitching needs to be STOPPED! It is NOT part of the game, it is a cheat program! We are ethical players that have fun posting our grats, and interacting with our houses, isn't that what is supposed to be about? Glitchers shouldn't even play, how can they get any joy out of it? It is not fair! If you are going to glitch....why even play? It must be so boring!! SMH at SLH. The only good thing I heard about is a vote for all button, since I have a house at 800 or so that would be great but I won't even go to that app! It should be shut down!

[The BAR MOM]

I agree!!!

[GrrrumpyBear]

obviously im STILL collecting grats at lvl 282. in fact, i hit my limit every day :o
i dont take down riders or other ppl at all on the bl, im all defense.. i make my own grats to collect.. see, im not even ruining anyone's game.. damn crybabies :cool:

Crybabies? Wait, I hear one now...


also, im a level 282.. how the hell else could i collect grats if i cant hit lower levels?? i dont go ruining ppl's rides or anything, but still... i want grats too

You're a walking oxymoron, you are. If you hit your limit every day what, exactly, are you upset about? Hm... Someone's confused.

[faboosh]

FYI 'glitching' IS a part of the game. It is NOT a cheat program. Its been around for a long time. SLH (which IS a cheat program) just makes it easier to 'glitch'. I 'glitch' as often as I can and I dont use SLH. Also 'glitching' has nothing to do with interacting within your house. So please research your words before calling people and their actions unethical.


Glitching needs to be STOPPED! It is NOT part of the game, it is a cheat program! We are ethical players that have fun posting our grats, and interacting with our houses, isn't that what is supposed to be about? Glitchers shouldn't even play, how can they get any joy out of it? It is not fair! If you are going to glitch....why even play? It must be so boring!! SMH at SLH. The only good thing I heard about is a vote for all button, since I have a house at 800 or so that would be great but I won't even go to that app! It should be shut down!

[Sweeet Jane]

Someone's confused.

yeah & its not me. i didnt contradict myself at all. im defending this so-called "glitch" by telling you all the REASON it was implemented. i never cried about anything, i was stating that i collect my 24 every day, so this rule is a good thing for players like me. see the smiley faces in my previous post? that means "happy" LOL

[cadwellvonfowle]

i think the best thing to do - and what i have already started doing - is collecting screen shots and IDs of the SLH burnlist cheaters and reporting them to playdom. i don't think there's much chance playdom is going to do anything based on anything posted in this forum. i would encourage anyone else who is interested in stopping illegal third party software to do this also. for those who don't know, support tickets can be filed on playdom's website and you are allowed to upload screen shots with your complaint. the FB ID of the cheater you would like to report can be found by posting and AFTA and copying the numbers in the AFTA link following "target=" -- as for any of you botters reading this who have glitched me off the BL - enjoy the 68 mil, you have been reported. have a nice day!

[GrrrumpyBear]

i think the best thing to do - and what i have already started doing - is collecting screen shots and IDs of the SLH burnlist cheaters and reporting them to playdom. i don't think there's much chance playdom is going to do anything based on anything posted in this forum. i would encourage anyone else who is interested in stopping illegal third party software to do this also. for those who don't know, support tickets can be filed on playdom's website and you are allowed to upload screen shots with your complaint. the FB ID of the cheater you would like to report can be found by posting and AFTA and copying the numbers in the AFTA link following "target=" -- as for any of you botters reading this who have glitched me off the BL - enjoy the 68 mil, you have been reported. have a nice day!

I know it's been said, but I feel the need to clarify - It IS possible to "Glitch" someone on the BL -WITHOUT- using third party software and people actually do it A LOT. It's a hot topic now because it's recently been added as a feature to a controversial toolbar. It seems like a lot of people are equating glitching with bots and such and it's absolutely wrong to do so. You can't assume that because you were glitched that it had anything to do with non-Playdom products. Anyone who does so is misinformed and incorrect.

Example: If I'm on a level 100 and want a level 20 burned, I can ask a sister to burn her. Then I go to my enemies SL profile page and wait for my friend to send me an IM saying she's put her on the burn list. If I click attack fast enough before she's been taken off the burn list by someone else, I will be able to successfully attack her instead of getting the normal error message about her being too low for me to attack. I may even be able to catch the grat if I did the final damage to TD her. This happens frequently and didn't involve any non-Playdom supported steps. The only time you are able to attack anyone who is lower like that is when they are on the burn list. This is what is commonly referred to as glitching. Give it a shot on someone who wants a burn and figure it out for yourself. I'm not making this up.

Reporting every person who glitches you is only going to create new problems. You're going to unnecessarily task Playdom support with dealing with what may be a false claim, and keep them from otherwise helping where they're needed. Please, for the love of mochas, do not report people who glitch you. They may not actually be doing anything wrong.

[cadwellvonfowle]

I know it's been said, but I feel the need to clarify - It IS possible to "Glitch" someone on the BL -WITHOUT- using third party software and people actually do it A LOT.]

i know. i do it myself all the time. generally though, someone who manually glitches someone else is either attacking a rider or is attacking someone who provoked them in some way. i know who i provoked and whom i did not and when i am riding or not riding. also, manually glitching someone is more effective if you wait until they are in the spa to list them (slapping or sisters attacking them, etc), and in none of the cases where i think someone used the toolbar to glitch me had i been in the spa prior to having been listed. in addition, i have seen each of the people i reported to playdom state in subfeed comments, wb comments, or on facebook pages that they use the toolbar. it's amazing the way people brag about it.

[Sweeet Jane]

Reporting every person who glitches you is only going to create new problems. You're going to unnecessarily task Playdom support with dealing with what may be a false claim, and keep them from otherwise helping where they're needed. Please, for the love of mochas, do not report people who glitch you. They may not actually be doing anything wrong.

this is very true. the reason the game already has so many limits on it is because of ppl just whining about stuff, assuming its bots, etc. i do sooo much tricky stuff by hand on the app & i'd hate to see another fun feature ruined because off this. obviously the problem is SLH, NOT the so-called "glitch"

[Angie-Rocks]

A lot of the high level player like glitching because it's easy money for them. A lot of low level players hate glitching no matter how it's done, whether it is manually or by a bot because they are the ones constantly being glitched. Of course the higher level players are all for it because they are not the ones that get glitched. It was originally put in to help controls bots from what I heard and now bots can glitch also. It's that something? That might have something to do with Playdom already having the glitching option in the game in the first place and maybe the bots are being programmed to work off that feature but much faster. Not sure though. Maybe Playdom should come up with a better solution that's more fair for everyone because it seems to be pretty obvious they can not control the bots.

[Sweeet Jane]

A lot of the high level player like glitching because it's easy money for them. A lot of low level players hate glitching no matter how it's done, whether it is manually or by a bot because they are the ones constantly being glitched. Of course the higher level players are all for it because they are not the ones that get glitched. It was originally put in to help controls bots from what I heard and now bots can glitch also. It's that something? That might have something to do with Playdom already having the glitching option in the game in the first place and maybe the bots are being programmed to work off that feature but much faster. Not sure though. Maybe Playdom should come up with a better solution that's more fair for everyone because it seems to be pretty obvious they can not control the bots.

this "glitch" feature was put in because of the hitlist crashing on Mobsters.. which was thousands of lvl 5s being put on the list all at once.. so they allowed any level to take them down. this is no glitch, it is part of the game. doesnt have much to do with bots.. thats why im saying SLH is obviously the problem here, not this "glitch" rule. ive been doing grats like that for a long time & its just now becoming a problem. not many ppl complained about it over this past year.. until now

[Angie-Rocks]

Actually when the glitch first came out there was a HUGE complaint over it. The complaints died down after a while because Playdom never did anything about it but there are still a lot of lower level players who hate this feature. What ever Playdom does is up to them but since this this is a hot topic at the moment I'm going to comment on it.
this "glitch" feature was put in because of the hitlist crashing on Mobsters.. which was thousands of lvl 5s being put on the list all at once.. so they allowed any level to take them down. this is no glitch, it is part of the game. doesnt have much to do with bots.. thats why im saying SLH is obviously the problem here, not this "glitch" rule. ive been doing grats like that for a long time & its just now becoming a problem. not many ppl complained about it over this past year.. until now

[Sweeet Jane]

Actually when the glitch first came out there was a HUGE complaint over it. The complaints died down after a while because Playdom never did anything about it but there are still a lot of lower level players who hate this feature. What ever Playdom does is up to them but since this this is a hot topic at the moment I'm going to comment on it.

i was just letting you & other ppl know why its allowed, and that its NOT a glitch. i remember reading about it in the Mobsters forum when they announced this rule. the problem seems to be with SLH abusing this rule, not the rule itself. there is no SLH on myspace that i know of so we dont have this problem. of course low levels arent gonna enjoy being hit by a higher level, but its now part of the game

[Christopher]

this "glitch" feature was put in because of the hitlist crashing on Mobsters.. which was thousands of lvl 5s being put on the list all at once.. so they allowed any level to take them down. this is no glitch, it is part of the game. doesnt have much to do with bots.. thats why im saying SLH is obviously the problem here, not this "glitch" rule. ive been doing grats like that for a long time & its just now becoming a problem. not many ppl complained about it over this past year.. until now

If it truely is meant to prevent what happened in Mobsters, then why not just have lower level players appear on an upper level's burn list.

[Sweeet Jane]

If it truely is meant to prevent what happened in Mobsters, then why not just have lower level players appear on an upper level's burn list.

i have no idea, & im sure we'll never get an answer from playdom about it. i know this is the reason for the bl "glitch" tho because i remember the thread about it & everyone going crazy on Mobsters attacking lvl 100s w/ lvl 1000s

[AuroraM]

i have no idea, & im sure we'll never get an answer from playdom about it. i know this is the reason for the bl "glitch" tho because i remember the thread about it & everyone going crazy on Mobsters attacking lvl 100s w/ lvl 1000s

Again the glitching is not the problem, until lately where it is in abundance because of the toolbar a lot seem to be using, I consider that 3rd party software and thought that was against the TOS of Playdom's SL rules!

[SmittenKitten]

first of all, i'm surprised to see you on here starting this thread DSA *faints again* lol. secondly, hi spicy :P and third i don't think it's fair how people are glitching on the burn list. what is the purpose of having a burn list then? imagine everyone started using this method, i mean what's the point in catching a grat anymore? why is there a refresh button on the BL? are we really THAT lazy?? it ruins the game for lower lvls who are trying to up their stats. i find it foolish for higher lvls to abuse this and look at our in crowd list. some of them don't even deserve to be on there. there are sisters on the game who actually work hard for their stats and should definitely be on there instead. some of you guys think it's no biggie because either ways you'll get taken off the list, but try to put yourself in their shoes(the lower lvl sisters). they're wasting their own money to burn someone in hopes to catch it, but to be caught by another sister with a lvl that's beyond their league is just pathetic. for the sisters who think being higher than lvl 200 is just useless in the game, why not just create another character? just because it's been an option for awhile now doesn't make it right. i think the sisters who use it just shows how weak they are, it's like they're handicapped and rely on this. basically having someone else do all the dirty work for you. if you were actually strong you wouldn't need to use it. give the lower lvls a fighting chance, that's all i have to say.

[Epee]

I know I'm late to the party, but I just want to add my 2 cents. First off, any type of bot use is wrong. If you use a bot to glitch or anything else, shame on you. Now that that is out of the way, let's discuss "glitching" as it was meant to be. I have no problems with it. If you are fast enough to AFTA and catch the grat, props to you. Someone on here (I read the whole thread, but I'm not going to quote bc I'm too lazy to go back and find the exact quotes) claimed that it wasn't fair bc the upper levels had chosen to level up. The same can be said for the lower levels. It was your choice NOT to level, so don't be upset when an upper level gets your grat legally. Yes, this is legal as it was put into the game by playdom. As for riders, you made the choice to ride and give people the time to "glitch" you. I always assumed that this feature was added to stop ridding bots (but the mobsters thing makes sense too). Remember how up in arms everyone was over riders who were on the bl for 24 hours? One other thing that people seem to be forgetting, done legally, "glitching" takes a lot more effort and time than regular bl hunting. With the exception of riders (whom I already mentioned know the risks), your average joe schmo on the bl won't last long enough to be glitched (unless of course someone has a personal vendetta).

*All uses of the word "you" are aimed at the general you and not any specific

[SmittenKitten]

and third i don't think it's fair how people are glitching on the burn list.

i meant glitching as in using SLH or having bots*

[CheriCheri]

Glitchers are so pathetic.

P. A. T. H. E. T. I. C.

[Jimmyrop]

Glitchers are so pathetic.

P. A. T. H. E. T. I. C.

Yes, I was glitched today and yesterday. A mere two or maybe three seconds is not enough to glitch people.

Today's one: Level 69 taken down by a level 103


1 hour ago
♥ Burnlist Bully ♥ crossed your name off the Burn List, claiming the gratitude money of $3,248,400 offered by Deja.
1 hour ago
You are terminally depressed, losing 34 influence points.
1 hour ago
♥ Burnlist Bully ♥ retaliated for your previous attack(s).
You lost the fight, taking 22 damage and losing $0.
1 hour ago
Deja has written your name in the burn list with a reward of $3,248,400.


As well as yesterday. My level 122 main was taken down by someone over level 200 at about 3-4 am.


1 day ago
___________ crossed your name off the Burn List, claiming the gratitude money of $4,532,000 offered by Sexxy%20Ash.
1 day ago
___________ retaliated for your previous attack(s).
You lost the fight, taking 27 damage and losing $0.
1 day ago
You are terminally depressed, losing 61 influence points.
1 day ago
Sexxy Ash has written your name in the burn list with a reward of $4,532,000.

[CheriCheri]

Haha :) the very same girl glitched my lvl 85, too. :D

It is sad that we can't do anything to stop this. :/

[CheriCheri]

Let's hear the voice of the glitcher (lvl 140):

16 hours ago
LARA CROFT says:
I don't care what anyone says or thinks, glitching makes the game fun again for people above 100. I'm having FUN!!!

http://serve.mysmiley.net/sick/sick0022.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[littlemama]

then maybe you should start a new toon? keep your big girl as a socializer? just saying

[Barbie Dahl]

I'm against glitching in any way. The only problem that needs to be addressed is high level players. There is no way for me to earn the money. I have negative cash flow , I don't ride the burn list or do transfers. Playdom really needs to do something about it, but I'm totally for the removal of "glitch"

I assume you mean you are against other people glitching you, because you didn't have any trouble glitching my level 144 from your level what, 198 is it?

[Kamelita]

i can't believe this discussion is still going on

[Barbie Dahl]

Some of like beating that horse, long after it's dead. I just dropped by to point out the hypocrisy here. Feel free to boot me, slap me and/or block me if I am offending anyone.

[Kamelita]

Some of like beating that horse, long after it's dead. I just dropped by to point out the hypocrisy here. Feel free to boot me, slap me and/or block me if I am offending anyone.

Can I punch you IN THE FACE?

[Barbie Dahl]

You can try sweetie, but much like my Sorority Life, I fight back in my real life too. It's getting rather late, perhaps a nap might help with your anger issues.

[Kamelita]

oh lord